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<h1>Velocityme Minutes 42<br>
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      <td valign="top">2004-08-23<br>
20h55-22h15<br>
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      <td valign="top">22 Bordeaux<br>
Tokai Villas<br>
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      <td valign="top">Robert Crida (RC)<br>
Barry Radloff (BR)<br>
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      <td style="vertical-align: top;">1.<br>
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      <td valign="top"><b>Minutes from meeting 41</b><br>
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      <td valign="top">The minutes have not yet been written, BR trying
to find notes<br>
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      <td valign="top">2004-08-30<br>
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      <td style="vertical-align: top;">2.<br>
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from meeting 39</span><br>
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      <td style="vertical-align: top;">The minutes have note yet been
written, BR has completed draft but must change number to be #39<br>
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      <td style="vertical-align: top;">BR feels strongly that there
needs to be a mechanism for taking away permissions. Currently you can
add new permissions by assigning to additional roles however it is not
possible to remove permissions again.<br>
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      <td style="vertical-align: top;">BR also concerned that inherited
permission mechanism will be slow in practice due to walking the tree.
RC commented that trees never become particularly deep. Alternative is
a very large link table of permissions which RC thinks is undesirable.<br>
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removing permissions:<br>
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        <li>Have some means of removing user accesses - disadvantage is
that it is a lot of administration and will be inefficient to implement</li>
        <li>Allow roles to specify permissions that are excluded as
well as added - disadvantages are that also inefficient but also more
complicated to administrate<br>
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      <td style="vertical-align: top;">BR and RC agreed that Version 1
can be put out without addressing this issue but that it should be
considered in the near future.<br>
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      <td style="vertical-align: top;">4.<br>
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Notice</span><br>
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      <td style="vertical-align: top;">RC suggested that all the code
should have a copyright notice.<br>
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requirements for the copyright notice.<br>
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      <td style="vertical-align: top;">5.<br>
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of data on web pages</span><br>
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      <td style="vertical-align: top;">It is possible to render web
pages using either xml/xsl or transfer objects and jsp<br>
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      <td style="vertical-align: top;">BR feels that we should stick to
one approach and not have a mix<br>
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      <td style="vertical-align: top;">One way of using xsl would be to
pass the stylesheet into the server when requesting the data.<br>
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on Web client</span><br>
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web client. It is now possible to navigate the tree in a simple form
(not much formatting) and view each of the different types of node.<br>
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      <td valign="top">2004-08-24<br>
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      <td valign="top">2004-09-07<br>
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